Abortion

[Firestorm]

Scenario #1
Girl: I'm pregnant.
Boy: What? You're pregnant? No no no. You have to abort it. I don't want it.

Scenario #2
Girl: Dad, I'm pregnant.
Dad: What? What did you do? It's an embarrassment to the family! You have to abort it!

Scenario #3
Doctor: Miss, I'm sorry to say, you are pregnant.
Girl: No...this can't be happening to me. First the rape and now this!!

Scenario #4
Woman: Honey, I'm pregnant!
Man: What? We didn't plan this! We can't afford to have a baby. Let's abort.

Scenario #5 (By Solstis)
Doctor: Miss, you are pregnant.
Girl: What?! I thought I couldn't get pregnant because of my illness
Doctor: Yes, it was a slim chance........ but carring a child, you might not make it, you might both lose your lives.

Those are some of the scenarios in our everyday life that can lead to abortion. Unplanned or unwanted pregnancy and in the end the girl or couple opt for abortion.

Is it right to abort? Is it legal? There are some countries that legalise abortion with no exception, some legalise under certain circumstances, some illegalise it with no exception. That's the law.

What about morally speaking. Is it moral enough to abort? Doesn't the child have the right to be alive?

Share your thoughts and opinions regarding this issue.

[mamatz]

Hmm... In my country, it is legal to do so but under certain circumstances. In my oponion, it's unwise for those who want to do the abortion because the child is innocent and deserve to have a life... It's too unfair for the child to be abort without knowing the outer evil world that we live right now... The world is too cruel and the humanity has gone nuts nowadays... Why the innocent child has to suffer because of the horrible doing of an irresponsible human???

[Solstis]

This is quiet the controversial subject but I'm really curious to know other views too but mine is, in a nutshell

DON'T MAKE UP PEOPLES MINDS FOR THEM!!
Or impose your views on them. unless you are going to take care of the child after it's born to a parent that doesn't want it.

I'm proudly pro-choice. and wonder why no-one seems to be concerned about stoping the issue before it starts by making contraceptives readily available to everyone. and I don't mean just putting them in stores I mean making it free.If people weren't getting pregnant left and right to start with, this would be less of an issue. not to say I won't point out some people are just too lazy to use the contraception.

but no one has the right to chose for another person. worry about the kids who are already alive and need help . As long as it's legal people who want/or need to do it can. and people who are against it can tell people theres 'another way' yeah like adoption... tell that to the thousands of children still waiting for a loving family (in the US ) or they need food or they need healthcare, what about them, they have rights too correct? I really think they need our help more than the rights of an un-born.

I don't know how accrate this is but I'm just trying to make a point. yeah so theres like 1 million abotions in the US every year for any reason. but take a look at this site on the flip side of the living http://www.orphanage.org/ and that is all over the world and I'm sure that's not even all of them

Is it 'right' is it 'moral' that depends who you ask... remember some people believe it's ok to poision baby forumla (this was a while ago) some people believe no one should hget a divorce even if a spouse is being abused. Because here (I mean in the USA ) there are far too many religions so it's too had to say yes or no to that without stepping on someones believes.

I believe the most 'right' and 'moral' thing you can do is give people proper information and then let them make up their own mind. Leaving people with only once choice is takeing away their freedoms and backs them into a corner. Just like in some counties girls can not go to school. Something as simple as education was taken . Just like some people think eating meat is bad, what if that became law.

SOME types of abortion I think are out of line ... partial birth ones disturb me . because if you carried it that long already whats another month or two or so, really.

Hey Firestorm I have one more scenerio for you.

Scenario #5
Doctor: Miss, you are pregnant.
Girl: What?! I thought I couldn't get pregnant because of my illness
Doctor: Yes, it was a slim chance........ but carring a child, you might not make it, you might both lose your lives.

... I have a friend in fact 2 who are like that. they shouldn't be able to have kids but if they did it would probly kill them both.

[rikkublossom]

Solstis, you may just be my new favourite person.

Lets not forget that abortion has always existed. Even in countries where it's illegal, it happens.
You should hear some of the stories abortion clinics have seen. I remember a woman on the TV talking about a girl who wanted an abortion so much she tried to use a knitting needle to do it (not a pleasant image)

I don't see why someone else's religion should effect anyone's choice. If you think it's wrong then don't do it, but there are girls and women out there that put their health in serious jeopardy for an abortion when one isn't legally available.

Backstreet abortion has happened, will happen and will always happen.

I'm not a very sympathetic person really, don't expect me to feel sorry for a woman who didn't use protection and found herself pregnant, it's the 21st century, if you don't want to get pregnant then you don't have to, but limiting a choice does not remove that choice.
(this goes out the window for rape of course or for situations mentioned above)

So yes i think it's should be legal, morally speaking though, that's up to a woman/couples conscious.

[Shadowed Luminous]

No I don't beleive abortion is right, it's never right to murder someone.

Ok so before someone brings up how theese women feel terrible about this ,let me bring up something from our old friends at Planned Parenthood . The reason I bring up this one quote in particular is because this seems like one thing they can't spin their way

Originally Posted by Planned Parenthood

You may have a wide range of feelings after your abortion. Most women ultimately feel relief after an abortion. Some women feel anger, regret, guilt, or sadness for a little while.

and I don't mean just putting them in stores I mean making it free

Who would make it ? How are you going to convince a buisness to spend X amount of money on something they will not make money on ? How will you make places carry theese free contraceptives when can they put other things on that shelf space that can make them some money ?

but no one has the right to chose for another person.

Your right, people don't have the right to choose for another person. What makes the potential life any different ? It's living in your body ? After you made it ?

But more to the point of what you were probably going for

Can't prevent evil from happening, they'll just have to live with their foul deed

tell that to the thousands of children still waiting for a loving family (in the US ) or they need food or they need healthcare, what about them, they have rights too correct?

Better to be alive waiting for a family than dead . They'd have a family if their biological parents were'nt so irresponsible

Lets not forget that abortion has always existed. Even in countries where it's illegal, it happens.
You should hear some of the stories abortion clinics have seen. I remember a woman on the TV talking about a girl who wanted an abortion so much she tried to use a knitting needle to do it (not a pleasant image)

Unfortunate

Why should one foolish girl who thought mutilating herself was prefferable to waiting for the baby to be born impact the idea whether abortion is moral or not ? Does a movement have to do something self destructive to make itself seem "valid" ?

I'll give some weight to the idea of the "Mother's life in jeoprady" idea since I have not fully considered all sides of it

[Cromell]

Abortion? Sure... especially when the pregnancy becomes dangerous for the mother. Or when it is the product of rape.

What I am against is using abortion for your own convenience. Geez. Use freaking condoms, medicines, whatever. But don't abort the pregnancy beacause you are afraid of the consequences of your own freaking actions. People should be more responsible...

Also, even if abortion is not allowed in specific countries, people will find a way around. It's not that bad if they simply travel to another country where they can do abortion, but what about those that do it "underground"? In most cases it is dangerous for the mother.

So yeah, allow abortion.

[rikkublossom]

I think this topic is a little vague, asking whether abortion is morally right is an hard question to answer, one persons morals don't equal the morals of those next to you.
It's something you have to answer for yourself.
There are people who believe abortions aren't right, but only after a certain point. There are those who think of life starting at conception and those who believe it's when the child can live on it's own outside the womb.

Whether abortion should be legal is something different, morality and the law should never mix, EVER.
Which makes it a hard thing to comment on, because whether it should be legal always comes into a morality discussion, they're hard things to separate.

Originally Posted by Cromell

What I am against is using abortion for your own convenience.

Yes. I think there should be a legal limit on how many abortions a woman can have.
1 is unfortunate.
2 is very unlucky.
3 is out of the question.

3 is proof you're using abortion as contraceptive. Abortion should always be the final choice, when nothing else can work out. Having one after another is out of the question.

Originally Posted by Shadowed Luminous

Why should one foolish girl who thought mutilating herself was prefferable to waiting for the baby to be born impact the idea whether abortion is moral or not ? Does a movement have to do something self destructive to make itself seem "valid" ?

I appreciate your opinion but choosing the safety of an unwanted baby that will get aborted one way or the other, above the health of not one, but millions of foolish girls around the world, is out of the question for me.

Saying abortion isn't morally right wont make it go away. Making it legal and over seeing the safety of the woman involved is, believe it or not, the only way to save lives.
If a person is determined then the child will not be born, is it better for the child to die, or mother AND child.

[Shadowed Luminous]

Originally Posted by rikkublossom

I think this topic is a little vague, asking whether abortion is morally right is an hard question to answer, one persons morals don't equal the morals of those next to you.
It's something you have to answer for yourself.
There are people who believe abortions aren't right, but only after a certain point. There are those who think of life starting at conception and those who believe it's when the child can live on it's own outside the womb.

Whether abortion should be legal is something different, morality and the law should never mix, EVER.
Which makes it a hard thing to comment on, because whether it should be legal always comes into a morality discussion, they're hard things to separate.



Yes. I think there should be a legal limit on how many abortions a woman can have.
1 is unfortunate.
2 is very unlucky.
3 is out of the question.

3 is proof you're using abortion as contraceptive. Abortion should always be the final choice, when nothing else can work out. Having one after another is out of the question.



I appreciate your opinion but choosing the safety of an unwanted baby that will get aborted one way or the other, above the health of not one, but millions of foolish girls around the world, is out of the question for me.

Saying abortion isn't morally right wont make it go away. Making it legal and over seeing the safety of the woman involved is, believe it or not, the only way to save lives.
If a person is determined then the child will not be born, is it better for the child to die, or mother AND child.

Oh so she's determined. One would lock up any other criminal, regardless of how committed they are to their crime. If a woman is so mentaly unstable they should probably lock her away. If her mind can't handle the consequences of her actions than she is not fit to live amongst society. Not to mention it's proably for her own good anyway, seeing as one thing can send her off into a self-destructive fit. Make it legal and kill your problems is not the way to go. (Yeah, not the best debate point on that last part , but it's equal to your "Making it legal is the only way" comment) . Mentally deranged people don't have the right to bring the hangsmans noose around something they helped create.

A committed evil-doer is still and evil-doer

[rikkublossom]

Originally Posted by Shadowed Luminous

Oh so she's determined. One would lock up any other criminal, regardless of how committed they are to their crime. If a woman is so mentaly unstable they should probably lock her away. If her mind can't handle the consequences of her actions than she is not fit to live amongst society. Not to mention it's proably for her own good anyway, seeing as one thing can send her off into a self-destructive fit. Make it legal and kill your problems is not the way to go. (Yeah, not the best debate point on that last part , but it's equal to your "Making it legal is the only way" comment) . Mentally deranged people don't have the right to bring the hangsmans noose around something they helped create.

A committed evil-doer is still and evil-doer

Wow. I don't want to get into an argument here but.........that may be the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Not all women find themselves pregnant by their actions, and having an abortion doesn't make you mentally unstable.
You know what, if people don't think they're morally right, then they shouldn't have one.

Imagine finding yourself pregnant with no money, no partner, no way to look after a baby.
You get desperate, you're in a situation you can't get out of and you do dumb things like go to a backstreet abortionist.
People do it all the time for other crimes, hungry? steal some food. Need to find a new winter coat or freeze to death, rob someone.
All pretty desperate situations, would you hang them for it.

And overly religious places just make it worse, find yourself pregnant outside of marriage and you could be risking your life, unless you're saying women can't have sex now. That's a way to stop abortions, if no woman ever had sex.

Like i said, don't like abortions, don't have one.
Some people believe eating meat is murder, they believe that animals deserves the right to live, they put that animals life in line with a humans, should we make everyone vegetarians, force the majority to believe in what the minority want.

[Shadowed Luminous]

Originally Posted by rikkublossom

Wow. I don't want to get into an argument here but.........that may be the dumbest thing I've ever read.

Not all women find themselves pregnant by their actions, and having an abortion doesn't make you mentally unstable.
You know what, if people don't think they're morally right, then they shouldn't have one.

Imagine finding yourself pregnant with no money, no partner, no way to look after a baby.
You get desperate, you're in a situation you can't get out of and you do dumb things like go to a backstreet abortionist.
People do it all the time for other crimes, hungry? steal some food. Need to find a new winter coat or freeze to death, rob someone.
All pretty desperate situations, would you hang them for it.

And overly religious places just make it worse, find yourself pregnant outside of marriage and you could be risking your life, unless you're saying women can't have sex now. That's a way to stop abortions, if no woman ever had sex.

Like i said, don't like abortions, don't have one.
Some people believe eating meat is murder, they believe that animals deserves the right to live, they put that animals life in line with a humans, should we make everyone vegetarians, force the majority to believe in what the minority want.

No having an abortion does not make you mentally unstable , mutilating yourself when you can not have one does. (As you said earlier) Not all women find themselves pregnant by their actions, but I don't think that abortionees have a larger percentage of those who did not have the baby by their own action (Rape, can't think of many more right now) to those who did.

Stealing a coat or a loaf of bread is not paramount to bodily mutilation. Animals are not comparable to human life either (And frankly it astounds me that you would make the comparison )

Don't like having babies in a bad situation ? Don't have sex in a bad situation (Of course excluding rape, that's another jar of pickles entirely)